information. the others were -- as well as miss knight, showing signs of malnourishment and such. there was serious psychological harm. she touched upon the captivity issue and how liberating it is now. we also heard some information about medical care and how they didn't even want to come out of the house because they at that point two of the women had been almost programmed to stay there. not because they wanted to but because they were afraid of what the repercussions would be if they did leave, that you would then see this as a test that they failed and hurt them. i think even without the testimony of the expert from michigan, any person in america would understand that a person