during this 68 page ruling judge leon said the government never presented an example in wish the collection of this data led to the prevention of an imminent attack or imminent threat against the united states. in this balance of security versus privacy what the judge is ruling is that the security benefits of this program did not justify the amount of collection of data and the invasion of privacy. >> that's a tough question for the court to rule on, katty. i really mean this. i mean no disrespect for the judge or judicial process. but the judge has expertise when it comes to rule of law and constitutional theory. the judge is not actually in a really good position to judge the efficacy of an intelligence collection program. that's where we might have an issue. look, i understand that in that balance what the program does for you has to play a role.