>> is that true? >> it started with leslie jacobs in new orleans. all these reforms came through -- a vast majority came through under the administration of the governor. >> did they accelerate after katrina? >> they kicked in because a lot of schools were done. yes. but the true history of -- and it's worked well in new orleans. that stuff doesn't work in a lot of other places. it's a tool. it's not a magic formula. i think we spend a lot of time about how to make 10% of the teachers that are truly great in the school or the 5% that are really bad and just think about it. if we just made the 85 out there who are from pretty good to very good better, you're going to affect a lot more kids but that's another debate. but it did -- i do think that what happened in new orleans has been a very, very uplifting and very positive story. and we have a place also on the