because they're your human capital needs for the future, and they're actually helping you. instead of always seeing these things as some kind of tradeoffs on the bottom line. i think as we do that, you'll see greater action by the private sector, but hopefully we'll see greater action by the sector to support paid leave as a legislative item, childcare as a legislative item to level the playing field for all workers. >> let me say one of the things that hangs over this entire conversation in this context, of course, is what nancy was talking about which is the fact we have a very slack labor market. >> absolutely. >> very long unemployment for a very long period of time and the relative power between people seeking jobs and people doing the hiring is out of skew in that environment. there's a surplus of labor. >> the best labor force participants we have are women. they're more highly educated, better trained. those are the people business should be going after. >> sure, and also women constitute the majority of low-wage workers. when you look at women of color, they're the majority of low-wage
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