and religious differences. we're talking about 239 people. many different religions probably. how are the government officials coordinating, dealing with the families, do they need to make sure there's spiritual guidance on an individual basis based on all the different cultures and all the different religious beliefs? >> well, i'm a board certified chaplain. i have had 1,600 hours of clinical training. i respect all faith traditions as well as those who don't claim a faith tradition. we know how to be with people. we know how to support them. we also know how to work in referrals. but it's a team approach. we're not doing this by ourself. and between the malaysian government and their allies and folks -- nations that are cooperating on this as well as so many partners in the faith and mental health communities, they don't have to do it all by themselves. but they need folks that have disaster training, that are grief professionals, that know about rituals, to support people. because you have to anticipate.