i think he thinks he's pay dirt here to say that war was a disaster and he's willing to take that to the republican heartland and the caucuses and new hampshire. i don't think you want to be on the side of that was a good national campaign that killed 186,000 people including thousands of our service people. how do you win that argument from the hawkish side? >> rand paul's timing couldn't be better, perhaps by accident, but it really couldn't be better. the isolationist interventionist strains have been duelling in the republican party going back to robert taft and before that. but this may with the isolationist moment. rand paul is in politics because his father is ron paul. but really, ron paul was created by dick cheney. it was the cheney and bush administration's wars in afghanistan and iraq that created this new isolationist tendency in america. there's now a majority of both, according to a december pugh research poll, republicans and