this. >> with millions of obama care applicants appearing out of thin hair in the last few days, kath theen lean sebelius is fighting allegations they're cooking the books. >> when have they not lied when it comes to obamacare. >> they said they had 7 million start-ups. does anybody believe that? it's an absolute possibility. >> no evidence, not on the hint of evidence, then a afind out that they were even underestimating the real number, which was 8 million. this was leading up to the announcement. >> well, mr. trump wasn't even sure that the president's birth certificate was right. the polls were cooked about the 2012 election and that milt romney was going to win. i don't think this should surprise us that they're doing this again. because it is bad news for them. that the number is so big. it's actually bigger when you