find their ways into the hands of the bad rebels, the isis rebels? as steve clemens demonstrated in his reporting, isis, the crazy jihadist group that's essentially taking over big chunks of syria and iraq in an attempt to make a little jihad state, it had a lot of support, sort of covert support from the saudis, whom we now need to get involved in a more positive way and maybe they're ready to do that now. but you kind of have to wonder how many wheels within wheel are also there here? and who can you trust in this region? the answer is usually nobody. >> and steve, the saudis, it's one of the most impenetrable operations in the region, and comprehending how we deal with them diplomatically i think is a pretty -- it's a pretty sophisticated art, that i can't begin to claim to understand. >> well, the president met king