university level. you know, where clearly you have university professors taking controversial positions in their classrooms, a political science professor and so forth. now it takes seven years or so to get tenure in a university enyou have to publish and do all kinds of things. all you need to do is survive. and not get rated unsatisfactory a couple of years and brought up on charged. all you got to do is sit there and wait for the clock to tick. it doesn't have to tick very long. >> okay, so dennis, one thing wayne asked there, can you point to an example in one of those types of cases, where that's happening? >> absolutely. it happens all the time. when -- if the law is removed, the right to have due process and by the way, tenure at the university level -- >> give us an example then. >> i'll give you an example. >> somebody removed for race or