about 20 civilians were killed in more fighting about 60 miles from the search. there are concerns over where the flight data and voice recorders have been recovered and properly processed. joining me now, william taylor and robert haguer. good evening to you both. >> good evening. >> bob, let's start with this kind of investigation. you know a lot about this. disputes about getting those black boxes and processing the material and the bodies o transportation dpround. what is the space between how this investigation should look and what's happeninging on the ground near the crash site? >> if it were a normal investigation, it would be well underway with the examination and the wreckage and presumably, the black boxes and begin to send them to a lab and read them out. having said that, they're not the most vital part of this investigation. i don't know how much we're