of ukraine that accent was from. with us now, i say, gosh she speaks really good american. we've got former u.s. diplomat now the ukraine kranian finance minister and international correspondent michelle caruso-cabrera. great to have you here. natalie, you're doing pretty well over here. up to $40 billion in support of a country that is taking it on the chin from a nuclear aggressor. >> yes, we're very very grateful for the u.s. taxpayer support, from the u.s. administration, the congress bipartisan support. it's been good to have u.s. leadership in the g-7 and imf because it's a very very difficult time. >> so -- but you have a bunch of bill collectors standing in your way, other countries, and they want payment on principle that they've loaned ukraine. what do you say in order to get them to take a hair cut on these -- on these monies?