what i'm doing right now is re-dyeing this saddle. reconditioning it, refurbishing it. i cleaned it, restripped it of all the old finish on it. and i put new dye on it. dyeing it black. in here it take me four months. to do a saddle. i will be 70 in a couple months. i'll be in 24 years this june, doing life without. i got a violent crime. this is my sanity here. you know, getting up here, working. you can get your mind off of what prison is and just relax. i just enjoy doing this. it's therapeutic for me. >> donald pippin meets with dr. holbrook for the last time before he's released from holman. >> hey. mr. pippin, how are you doing today? good to see you. >> i wrote my aunt. she wrote back and said i had a place so i'm going to stay with her.