give ammunition to her detractors. it does both. that's the great thing about language. david, the logo -- you now recognize it. some people like it, some don't. >> logos should have a message to them. our sunrise logo for obama had a message. i'm not sure what the message of that logo is. >> you are not a fan? >> not >> i can't believe there was a group of people who sat around and said this looks great. let's make this our logo. >> as the youngest person on this panel, i just want to say. >> what does that mean? >> my tarng neighbors who are all into logos, they hate the hillary logo and they're all fans? >> that had nothing to do with age. >> it'll be on quizup. >> who's the oldest snernperson? >> that's it for today.