arab spring came back to prince top where i took the journalism course with a very wonderful professor amos who covered syria for npr and she guided me ever since. >> john actually chased a girlfriend to spain this '38. unfortunately she was on franco's side. >> didn't end well. >> at the age of 38. >> no no 1938. >> one of the thing has is most striking in this piece you quota guy who is a former islamist recruiter who makes the point that the easier targets for recruiting in to isis are ones without any religious background. that seems counterintuitive. you can talk about that? >> absolutely. he was specifically of the conflicts in the europe and the west. he said that they're dislocated from the traditions of the religion. and so when a charismatic group comes in and says i can teach
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