scuttlebutt that so and so is under investigation for such and such. this is one of the few times in my 40 years of washington illinois politics that something has come completely out of the blue. there hadn't been an inkling of acknowledgment that anything was going on with respect to denny hastert and past transgressions. and so i agree with the previous guests that this is about as shocking as a political indictment can be. >> what was hastert's reputation like in illinois politics? obviously illinois politics can be a bit of a cesspool. there's -- you could line up quite a perp walk of illinois politicians. what was hashastert's political reputation? >> first context, chris, illinois is regarded as the third most corrupt state in the nation chicago the most corrupt city. denny hastert comes out of what's called the illinois combine. the combine was republicans and democrats who controlled the political structure and it was a mix of business and contractors