>> here's the interesting thing. >> are they right that you're really the only person not a hawk in your party? >> here's the interesting thing. some of the pundits who know nothing but glory for war, they live inside the beltway and have not yet been to america so i invite them to come to iowa. i invite them to come to america. i invite them to come to south carolina. there was a poll in iowa a couple of months ago, and it said do you believe in more intervention, more foreign intervention like john mccain or less intervention like rand paul? almost evenly split. there is a good chunk of the republican party who thinks that we should think before we act, that war is not always the answer, that war may be the last resort, not the first resort that we have to defend ourselves. we have to have a strong national defense but that sometimes we've intervened in the middle east and sometimes we've had unintended consequences, and i don't know how you can be honest intellectual person to take an approach in the middle east and not believe that we've gotten some things that we really didn't intend to happen. >> i think the polling shows that you're right. i mean beating hillary clinton
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