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welcome back to the "hardball." presidential candidate rand paul took a shot at democratic front-runner hillary clinton in my interview with the senator from kentucky earlier today warning that she's more likely to take to us war than most democrats or republicans. let's watch. >> hillary clinton is much more hawkish and much more likely to get us involved in another war than most of america, republican or democrat. you see this little boomlet for other people out there it is. >> yeah. >> on the democrat side there are people who aren't so eager to believe that hillary clinton was right taking us to war in libya, and so i think you'll find that as it gets out to the regular voters outside of washington there's a much more mixed and nuanced feeling about war. >> on a scale of 1 to 10 dove being 0, hawk being 10, where's hillary? >> you know, i'm not sure exactly. >> is she a 7? >> yeah. i think what she is i think she's been indiscriminate in the use of force and i think not thinking. >> joining me right now for reaction to my interview with
senator paul is president obama's former chief strategist david axelrod and former white house political director under george w. bush matt schlapp. what did you make that have call briggs, wouldn't give me a number between 1 and 10 when i suggested 7 on hillary clinton on her hawkishness but tough on placing her it seemed to his right when it came to his hawkish side, when it came to starting wars? >> look when you look at your interview and his answer to that question and what he's doing on the patriot act, it seems like rand paul sees this lane and this lane you is look at the poll numbers you threw up on the screen earlier, you know. rand paul sees a lane that he can appeal to independents. he can appeal to young voters. he can basically appeal to voters who are war weary, and i think your interview with him showed that. >> what do you think david? i think he's working the only game in town. in other words, he's making himself among 18 candidates. >> right. >> for the republican nomination the only one who says you know what we've been too war-like?
coached. and a battle important to me, the fight to beat alzheimer's. let me finish with rand paul's unique attraction to republican voters, and this is "hardball," the place for politics.
party and many of its candidates is we're not doing a very good job of kind of being respectful in this conversation with the big donors. it's done in such a gaudy and public way, but we also have our -- our big donors on the right who are more libertarian so i'm not sure it's all coming from the one side. >> why are they all hawks? >> i don't think that's right. >> there's plenty of libertarian. >> name knee a dove? >> peter dove the koch brothers. >> the koch brothers are doves, i didn't hear that before. >> my party is a party that is trying to find its way back on these sets of issues. ronald reagan said peace through strength and they are looking at what they got in the latter years of the bush administration, and they are rethinking, so i think your interview with rand paul really shows that this is a conversation the republican party is currently having. >> do you think ronald reagan would have taken us into iraq? >> are you asking me that? >> yes, matt. >> yeah, i don't. i actually don't. >> we agree on that. you learned something at notre dame. that's so proving of that point.
matt, a plurality of republicans do not believe human beings evolved over time but instead existed in their present forms since the beginning of time. that's the belief of most republicans, according to a pew time released in january 14 not a million years ago, january 14. >> right. >> here's senator paul on that subject today. >> religious beliefs to accept the fact that there's been human life for millions of years? >> i think you can see god in many different forms and it's really harder to argue to the contrary that there was no god involved, that it was a big bang or some sort of beginning that we came out of nothing. harder for the human mind coming out of nothingness? >> what will huckle chuckle do with that information? santorum is another one of these flat earthers when it comes to have lose. i don't know -- it's not our religion roman catholic religion to believe anything other than evolution which is scientific fact but for some reason the republican party wants candidates who have the
rand paul's unique attraction to republicans voters. his libertarian views are a part of it and the other are his domination of the war hogs. it seems to be you back the war of iraq the knocking off of gadhafi and look forward to blowing the hell out of iran. there's always another war in the queue so let's get to it. listening to senator paul tonight, you heard a different voice, someone who believes the average republican voter might well hear his message and like it. we'll see. it's the effort to find the nation's sweet spot that will convert a campaign appeal into a presidency. kennedy had it in 1960 with his promise to get this country moving again. obama had it in 2008 when he came out against the iraq war. if rand paul becomes the republican presidential nominee
salting the earth with old phony year bones, like lucy 3.5 million years old were put there by bad lefties from the west side of new york. i don't know where they get the idea but they hate it when someone says there's science involved in the history of humanity and that's why i brought it up today, not just to cause trouble but the people should be outed who think like that. >> those people will find a constituency, for example, in the iowa caucuses where there's a big social conservative and over time you talk about the swing constituencies across the country, rand paul's position would be a comfort to them but if you're going to be supportive of science, be supportive of science all the way. can't be a tree hugger and deny that the planet is warming and that human beings have something to do with it. that's a hump that senator paul hasn't gotten over yet so there are questions that will arise over time. he's doing a good job of passing this first test and answering these questions at first level, but as you drill down it's going to become more difficult for him.
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>> here's the interesting thing. >> are they right that you're really the only person not a hawk in your party? >> here's the interesting thing. some of the pundits who know nothing but glory for war, they live inside the beltway and have not yet been to america so i invite them to come to iowa. i invite them to come to america. i invite them to come to south carolina. there was a poll in iowa a couple of months ago, and it said do you believe in more intervention, more foreign intervention like john mccain or less intervention like rand paul? almost evenly split. there is a good chunk of the republican party who thinks that we should think before we act, that war is not always the answer, that war may be the last resort, not the first resort that we have to defend ourselves. we have to have a strong national defense but that sometimes we've intervened in the middle east and sometimes we've had unintended consequences, and i don't know how you can be honest intellectual person to take an approach in the middle east and not believe that we've gotten some things that we really didn't intend to happen. >> i think the polling shows that you're right. i mean beating hillary clinton