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senator paul is president obama's former chief strategist david axelrod and former white house political director under george w. bush matt schlapp. what did you make that have call briggs, wouldn't give me a number between 1 and 10 when i suggested 7 on hillary clinton on her hawkishness but tough on placing her it seemed to his right when it came to his hawkish side, when it came to starting wars? >> look when you look at your interview and his answer to that question and what he's doing on the patriot act, it seems like rand paul sees this lane and this lane you is look at the poll numbers you threw up on the screen earlier, you know. rand paul sees a lane that he can appeal to independents. he can appeal to young voters. he can basically appeal to voters who are war weary, and i think your interview with him showed that. >> what do you think david? i think he's working the only game in town. in other words, he's making himself among 18 candidates. >> right. >> for the republican nomination the only one who says you know what we've been too war-like?

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