solving complex problems, being involved in corporate america, starting a national nonprofit you get an enormous amount of experience doing these things, particularly in solving problems. and, you know, it's an erroneous thought that only political experience is expedient. >> let's go to some issues. you spoke to the national urban league earlier this week, and you also in an earlier interview this week asked about the black lives matter movement. and you called it silly. why did you call it silly? >> well, you know i don't -- i don't recall calling it silly, but what i called silly is political krebtness going amuck. that's what's silly. when you know -- i guess it was martin o'malley who said, you know black lives matter, white lives matter he got in trouble for that and had to apologize. that's what -- that's what i'm talking about is silly. of course all lives matter. and, of course, we should be very concerned about what's going on, particularly in our