the two white girls they were jogging with escaped. >> i responded that night. it looked like the sniper had laid in wait inside this field. and then shot these four people as they were coming across the lighted intersection. both the boys were shot even after they had quit moving. they weren't wrounds to twounds or extremelies, these were like -- in shooter talk, these were kill shots. >> i'd like to talk to you about the salt lake city shooting. august of 1980. why did you travel there? >> i'd been there before in 1975. in subrogation. >> what is that? >> i saw two dudes jogging