they really -- >> just tell people give me a date when you are pretty sure that will happen. after it is over say it didn't happen. set a realistic exercise that forces you to realize it is nonsense. in five years if they haven't come to collect the guns would you believe you are paranoid or ten years? in other words, how can this theory never been disproven? it never comes. >> they keep it at bay. they succeed. >> because they are hiding out in idaho with a bunch of guns. >> and electing republicans to congress. >> the blck helicopters are not being shot down. >> i think carson has played a brilliant role as a buffer between donald trump and reality. it's like if you kick nixon out of the white house you get agnew.