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i can tell you right now and donald won't like this, if the election is held today it's even money between donald trump and ben carson in iowa. i can't say anybody else would be close to donald trump. you look at carson's organization. iowa right now, history, ben carson has a great chance. they are doing stuff on the ground, doing stuff with micro targeting. got more contributors. you look at the fundamentals of blocking and tackling of politics. it's hard to find anybody in the republican party that in iowa, at least, has blocking and tackling. with carson, one of the great irony, trump and carson, these two wild cards are building organizations in iowa. >> we have to end this discussion. we have to look at pete winter's piece today in the "new york times" on ben carson. on the nazi rhetoric. must discuss. >> some of the things he said,

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