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a then's why they like those non- -- outside of washington politicians. >> steve, what can jeb bush do to win? like, when's the path right now for jeb bush to get out of this funk and get back into a real position? >> i think it's got to be the long game and the long game got to be to get through to iowa, to new hampshire and to get the field reduced, to get a rubio out of the way. to get a lot of these other candidates out of the way and set up a race sort of an establishment candidate versus donald trump and the establishment candidate versus ted cruz or ben carson. get to a situation where he can look at republicans in an essentially deliver the message, yeah, i know you might get excited by trump and cruz, but if you want to win, beat hillary clinton, want to get the white house back, i'm the only game in town. >> i'm your guy. >> that's one of the biggest problems is he cannot point to these general election trial heats against hillary clinton and say, hey, look. i'm the only electable one. he does worse than a lot of

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