raqqah not next month or next year but indefinitely, that part of the world which has been a mess for 30, 40 years has to change and i think if the president is thinking about that long game and whose going to go in not just to rural raqqah but to hold raqqah, that's the right question. >> i'm not saying it's going to be easy to do. i'm saying if we're talking about defeating isis, we have to understand this is all about propagan propaganda. it's all about new recruits. it's all about the lie. >> that's what the president was trying when he called them j.v. he was trying to propagandize they were all abunch of losers. >> he also missed the one when he said they were contained and they couldn't strike here. he should put that j.v. reference on the bench. >> no kidding. let it have some gatorade and