and this guy is -- it's a good example of how a lot of these isis recruits, they are not from backgrounds of poverty. they have all sorts of options available to them. this is a kid who, frankly, he had some daddy issues. his father was a distinguished soldier for some time. and a high school quarterback. then this kid shows up. he never really was able to succeed in his dad's eyes. and now -- >> sickly as a kid, pot smoking ne'er-do-well drug adeled dropout kind of. >> he's the typical kind of basement dwelling neck bearded computer geek who would never succeed in the eyes of his teachers or his family, but he's achieved a certain kind of leadership role in the islamic state now. >> he is now, in this bizarre way, right, he has become a soldier and sort of revere