victory, it just takes it to a space we don't need to go. that piece is less worrisome and bothersome than the overall effort by the russians to somehow try to manipulate, to be engaged, to find thier fingerprints on the election. >> i agree. and i would add that one of the biggest challenges for intelligence analysts is trying to determine motivation. so they can track behavior, but actually trying to understand what is actually pushing the buttons of a leader's decision. so, is it so obvious they would have wanted trump to win. quote, rebuild our military, rebuild our nuclear arsenal, launch more sophisticated missile defense and basically unleash a shale oil and gas revolution. like all these things -- we are a threat to putin. so actually trying to understand why putin would want trump to win, maybe he did. i have no idea. >> chris, and i think you and i both have put this question to trump, probably the same way. you probably more than me. every time i ask him to explain