floating this to any other agencies. that is incredible. >> let me slow you down. you're saying that basically the human relations and budget department of the federal government and the white house, you're being told anonymously wasn't in the loop? >> not -- they were not in the loop and they were told not to make anyone be in the loop. that this was a conscious purposeful decision to leave out all of the others. one thing to do it by accident because they're new. >> this was a current -- you're saying a current administration official telling you not only out of the loop, but told not to communicate about it. >> yes. >> steve clemens, thank you for your views and your reporting. we we benefit from it. appreciate it. we'll be back after a short break. my business was built with passion... but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. with it, i earn unlimited 2% cash back on all of my purchasing.