fellow at the foreign policy research institute. >> thanks for having me. >> for folks that didn't see the hearing, briefly if you could, explain the active measures that the russians are using. >> what they want to do is use information as a weapon of war far to undermine u.s. democracy. such that when we crumble from the inside out, we can't take aggressive foreign policy or stop their foreign policy around the world. so the way they do that is by using what's called a state to people and a people to people strategy. they're going to bypass the u.s. government. go straight to our democratic ele electorate and try to foe mate chaos. >> you said it was the same way in a way that the campaign might mike row target to talk to a specific voting group. you seem to indication they were so sophisticated they went state by state. they made sure that people in michigan or wisconsin or pennsylvania were seeing certain things. how did they get that sophisticated? >> the new social media that's