>> quickly, secretary tillerson said today, here he is about to start discussions with russia, today he said, why should u.s. taxpayers be interested in ukraine? could you give him an answer to that? >> yeah, i mean, actually, i see when you're thinking about russian policy and the threat it presents. it see ukraine as kind of the canary and the mind shaft, in other words, watch ukraine very closely. i was in ukraine back in october and parliamentaryian there said something to me that i thought was very revealing. he said that ukraine is the only country among the former countries of the soviet union that can actually change russia. what she meant by that was, if we in ukraine succeed in moving closer to the west, closer to the eu, closer to the united states. if we have a pluralistic,