divided, and who i saw in a barn in new hampshire n a snow-covered picturesque barn. it does make a mockery of all the putative talk if you just pass a -- >> well, do you have children? >> i do. >> how old are they? >> they're 5 and 3. >> mine are 17, and the debt is $20 trillion. >> right. >> i think it's fair to say, chris, that if you cut taxes, you will have, like the corporate tax, which is really the highest in the world, right? if we cut it, there will be some positive economic activity. but you just can't say we're just going to cut taxes, and everything is going to be great. there have to be some pay-fors. what do i think congress is going to do? i have no clue. but i'm actually in favor of a balanced budget amendment to the constitution. >> first of all, i think the deficit is not a problem and the debt's not really a problem. we have a reserve currency, and