can't just hide behind it. so there's a lot of the are byplay between the white house and the various cabinet officials relates back to what the president was saying and thinking at the time. it relates back to his state of mind and potentially, his intent with certain comments, the whole he obstruction of justice issue. so it is important to open the gaitway. you can't live in the in between where there's assertion but no answer. >> let me ask but the most contentious. at his appearance this year, franken asking sessions at the time about a report that trump campaigned, surrogates had had