has been doing from the beginning. you know, continually lying about this while also being, quite audacious in proclamation, such as last year when trump asked putin to give the hacked hillary clinton e-mails to him to help him, promised he'd be rewarded to the things he's done in office like bringing russian representatives into the oval office and giving secrets. there's no shame here no sense of propriety or legality. just the audacity of an autocrat and he thinks he'll get away with it. yeah. i think malcolm said it well. we are well at the point, past the point of a, you know, typical engagement process where historical juncture. >> and you know, paul butler, the question is whether or not this is merely distasteful, and i think particularly to any veteran it must, should be distasteful the american president would side with a foreign autocrat over the intelligence services that work