perhaps except just a few families, i just didn't see much exception how little they knew. >> really interesting. thank you for sharing some of this. we'll have to continue this discussion to just hear more and more about this. we're at a point we do need to understand more about the north korean people. "without you no us" the author, sookie, and former spokesperson for former ambassador at the u.n. samantha powers and always a great guest to help us understand how sanctions actually work to change things. have a great weekend. still to come, we'll take you to a south dakota indian reservation. what they're doing to overcome's suicides and addiction, when we come back. [ click ] [ keyboard clacking ] [ clacking continues ]