that was one come upon innocepo. we looked at the golf courses and if they made money and the debt they had. how could someone go through so many bankruptcies and have a billion dollars in assets. we looked at tax bills. in the early stage of an investigation, you want to get every lawsuit the guy has been in so we collected lawsuits from around the country and around the world. question, and when did you engage mr. steele to conduct opposition research on candidate trump? answer, i don't specifically recall but it would have been may or june 2016. question, and why did you engage mr. steele in may or june of 2016? >> answer, we had done an enormous amount of work on trump and began to drill down on specific areas. steele is not the only subcontract engaged. the trump family was selling merchandise in the u.s. made in sweatshops in asia and south america so we needed somebody else for that. there were other things.