vague statement from the raj shah, he's the king of debt and seems to have no interest in cutting entitlements, entitlement reform is off the table. the president took it off the table. there's no end in sight to all the spending. > let me go back to charlie. i'm trying to divine the meaning of the word conservative. it used to be you spend less, you're less involved in foreign policy, the only taft model. we don't look for trouble around the world. it meant good prudish behavior in your private life. how many mulligans is this president going to get and how many fields of endeavor? he gets mulligans in his private life as we know, he gets mulligans for deficits, he gets mulligans for important policy dangerous behavior. where is the conservative in the conservative party led by this president? where is it? can you find any conservative aspect of this president? >> sure. if you look at the judges and maybe some of the regulatory roll back. the main point is that this is a party that's not governed by any