putting on the table, sanctions? normalization? peace treaty? has any other president ever done anything like this? and when other presidents made breath-taking gambles like this in the past in the words of "the new york times", are there things we should learn from history about how to manage the tremendous risks here and potentially do this well. joining us now and michael thank you for joining us tonight. >> pleasure. >> it's a pleasure to be talking to you. delighted just the same. >> by the u.s. president with regard to the country that's seen internationally the way north korea is. >> well, this is not of the magnitude of nixon going to