natasha, the issue now becomes did gates know that klimnik was working with russian military intelligence as is he talking to him during the campaign? >> well, the special counsel says he at least told van der zwaan he was former gru. that was an open secret. whether or not he knew he was still connected to russian military intelligence during 2016 kind of remains to be seen. it's interesting because what we also see in the filing is that mueller deems this pertinent to the investigation and thinks kilimnik is a valuable tie weave the trump campaign and russia. the fact that he's now using gates' words against kilmnik base essentially denied ever having ties to russian intelligence. he was trained at a school for translators but says he was never recruited by the intelligence services. the fact that gates and phil griffin manafort's spokesman are saying it was an open secret is
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