we also said that these were orally briefed to trump's lawyers and were put in a document. yeah, obviously, that's the origins of this and we're trying to protect the people who are helping us tell the public what's going on. >> barbara, doesn't it make it clear the president while not a target, because technically he can't be a target if mueller is following the office of legal counsel guidance that he cannot be indicted while in office. he's not a target but he clearly, from these questions, it's about what did you know? what did you do at that time? what was your thinking? he's a subject. >> absolutely. the definition of a subject is someone whose conduct comes in the scope of an investigation. it's quite clear this is the person we're going to charge we're you're a target.