that we still don't know and that you know, bob mueller who knows more than all of us at this point, may be following. >> and mike, the question of the morning, what is wrong with them? it's like the republicans on capitol hill, that keep shilling for president trump saying that he doesn't lie, he speaks in hyperbole, seriously? morons, i'll just say it. >> i want to go back to what you said, mike. it really is -- i don't know how to politely say this. >> it's not easy. >> they're not smart -- they are not intelligent people. they are not smart people. bumble around. i don't mean to go back to rudy giuliani, talking about how intelligent he is, who is dumb enough to go on the air, give three different accounts of an active case at the southern district of new york is investigating. and who -- look at jared kushner during transition, just blindly