there was money laundering, if there is pay to pay play, all of this stuff -- if the president is lying under oath, if it ever got to -- these are the kind of things that matter, that are important, that the american people need to learn about. so this attack on the investigation is not just a defend. it's really kind of an attack on american political culture. and it's kind of shocking to see how many conservatives have bought into night hugh, do you want to respond. >> the special counsel is not being attacked. i think he ought to be left alone and rod rosenstein ought to be left align. >> how do you say he isn't being attacked witch-hunt. >> it is an attack on the everyall process but not on mueller and they are not going to fire him. it would be a disaster if they would fire mueller. i said that for a year and a half. and i don't know of any conservatives would wouldn't agree with that.