house. whether or not it reaches a new level where they decide to take the next step and fire rosenstein, we haven't seen that yet. there was chatter a couple months ago that trump was about to take ta step. even at the most fraught period of their relationship, it doesn't seem trump is willing to pull that trigger. it seems like the strategy for now, it's interesting when ty cobb and john dowd, the strategy seemed to be trump has nothing to hide. why not sit down with mueller. now it seems to be since giuliani has come on, trump is in big legal jeopardy. we need to make sure if mueller does find anything or if we refuse to sit down with him, the credibility of the entire investigation is in question anyway. >> giuliani has been operating it not quite as brilliantianiantly as johnny cochran but focused on what he argues are weaknesses in the investigation. it's been 16 months since it the intelligence community assesses