whether it's ethical. that issue is still out there. but it is certainly damaging. in the tape there's clearly a reference to the $150,000. more importantly, there's a discussion of what appears to be david pecker as, quote, our friend. and what's most interesting about this is there's no suggestion that pecker would object to selling the rights of the story that he just recently acquired. the question is why? if he had a journalistic purpose for acquiring that purpose, why is the assumption that it would be easy to purchase it and then cab it within this corporation. having said that, they didn't go ahead and do that which by the way, would have been terrible. i mean, cohen's solution to every problem is self em mulation. the suggestion you could create a corporation and buy the rights to mcdougal's story is again one of the worst possible things you could have done at that moment. >> so just by way of reminder,