part because he had no money. so now you have manafort saying he stole my money, embezzled money from me. how come rick gates doesn't have money to defend himself and you do. that would be my question. so that under cuts the argument that rick gates took the money. >> this courtroom which is sealed. at a time when it is the president's campaign manager. and the stuff that they are talking about he was doing, reporting to work by day to get donald trump elected and then filing false forms allegedly with banks? >> this artificial universe. presumably in jury selection the extremes are weeded out.