complications involved. the president cannot pardon state charges. glen, there is a lot of talk. we talked about this earlier today, about why in the world manafort hasn't made a plea deal. you posture that maybe a plea deal wasn't offered. >> i have to say, katie, it wouldn't surprise me if bob mueller never extended a plea offer to paul manafort. why would that be? for two reasons. first of all, rick gates is already a cooperating witness. we know that rick gates' information is somewhat duplicative of the information that paul manafort could provide to the prosecutors. and then the other factor that i think weighs into the calculus when we look at whether we want to actually do business with a defendant and bring him into our stable of cooperators, who is that person and how long has he