we want to be clear. those people, their communications that they have, any communications that they have with brokers, the s.e.c. said at the press conference, that they have recorded telephone conversations with the brokers' side of things. those do exist in this case. obviously, they have a tremendous amount of trade logs. so they will know exactly when people logged on to their online accounts to be able to trade this. the exact orders that they put in. when you come to try to track stock trades, particularly when they are done through public markets like this, it's really easy for the s.e.c. we are not talking with s.e.c. capital and steve cohen. they are routing shares through all sorts of brokerage houses. they traded stocks like we would. >> this is much more straightforward? >> yes. it's brazen, actually. >> we will get to the legal aspects in a moment. this doesn't come out of nowhere. there were already questions about collins' trading for the past year and a half or so.
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