manafort saying, aha, i'm going to keep this money away from the irs. >> i'm going to launder these dollars. >> exactly. and i sort of wonder whether this jury is not riven by the same divisions the rest of us in society are. this jury is not sequestered. they're wandering around the courtroom with reporters -- >> i was just going to ask you about that. how unusual is that? i thought juries, you were never supposed to talk to the jury. >> sequestering is rather rare, but it is unusual to have jurors roaming free. generally they're escorted by a bay lyft in their own elevator. they've taken an oath not to look at news coverage. every day the judge asks them if they've adhered to the oath. they say they have. i wonder if the assumption is consistent with human nature. they see the ten tv cameras outside the courthouse every day. >> part of me thinks life as a manafort juror is less stressful. thank you for your time. appreciate it. just ahead, congresswoman karen bass joins me on set as the midterm comes into focus, a