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secret. we will never know the words that were exchanged in reaching this final agreement. we may get the plea in open court but the cooperation may pour now remain a mystery. >> danny, stick with me here. i've got mimi rocca on the phone, a former u.s. attorney in the southern district of new york. all right. i know speculating you don't want to speculate too much, but give a sense of what's likely, what kind of cooperation has been agreed to. you've seen what he's agreed to plea to and as howard fineman points out to me, he's pleading already to cooperation. he fingered the president. so in some ways we get what the prosecutors -- some of what the prosecutors got out of this. but mimi, what do you think is happening behind the scenes? >> well, chuck, i think danny's right. when we see the documents, if and when we see the documents, the plea agreement, we'll know a lot more in the sense of is it formal cooperation, which i know there had been some reporting that that wasn't happening.

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