thus far there have yet to be any charges or convictions for colluding with the russian government by any member of the trump campaign in the 2016 election. so somebody is holding out hope that this isn't connected. >> well, i mean, i'm sure there's plenty of people who are holding out hope that this isn't connected. but i think judge ellis said it best. i mean, it's very routine in an investigation and prosecution to put pressure on people to do what seth was just talking about, cooperating. now mr. manafort is absolutely looking at a very significant jail time and he's going to have to make some really difficult decisions. >> all right. let me ask you, megan, what you think, what you're expecting. we saw the first response from a senator. do you think this turns yet or do you think everybody is going to keep -- >> i think we're all going to be watching. this really feels like one of the more remarkable days of the trump presidency, which is saying a lot. >> filled with remarkable