than just a possibility. this may have been a signal to the president that if i don't get those assurances, i have another out. >> joyce vance, the president called out flippers, that it ought to be outlawed. he also sent a signal to stay strong to his one-time security adviser, mike flynn. mike flynn has been cooperating, i believe, the longest with team america, which is what one former federal prosecutor called the mueller special counsel investigation. talk about what bob mueller could get from paul manafort. he already has his deputy, rick gates, he already has mike flynn. what would mueller want with manafort? what would mueller demand for any sort of leniency or any sort of deal for paul manafort? >> i have maybe a slightly less sensational, less interesting view of what the topic of these negotiations might have been. manafort doesn't really look