someone who doesn't give him some sort of loyalty pledge. but you're saying that if he doesn't, if this person doesn't recuse themselves or doesn't say they'll let the investigation go on, that that prompts some sort of crisis? >> i'm not saying he has to recuse himself. the recusal of jeff sessions was absolutely mandatory under department of justice rules. he was involved in the campaign. he was involved in the very conduct that was under investigation. he could not oversee it any more than donald trump can oversee it, despite donald's claim that he can. but even if he doesn't recuse himself does not mean that he has to take away the independence of the special counsel. that has to be permitted. as i say, that's what happened as part of confirming the replacement for elliott richardson. there was a requirement that the investigation continue unimpeded
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